Monday, October 15, 2007

Absolute Poker is Rigged

STRIP #182
For those who don't know, this site covers the issue pretty well. And if you don't believe he had access to hole cards, I suggest reading Jennifear's hand by hand analysis. And here's a scary account of what probably happened.

This is all absolutely disgusting and makes me more confident in the "F UB" stance that I took a couple weeks back. Absolute Poker owns Ultimate Bet and you'd be doing the entire online community a big favor if you spread the word as much as you can about the cheating that's being lied about by AP. Tell everyone you know who has an account on AP or UB or one day might get one. As Corbin tells Harold, you should get your money off those sites right away.


Blogger Jens said...

"And then AP put out a press release saying that their client doesn't even have the ability to see any hole cards ever except for at showdown, but they already gave that information to marco!"

I think you have a little flaw here. If you know even a little about softwares and programming, you would know that all the data are stored in databases. The information that the client needs can, and will be limited (takes a lot of bandwidth to send all the data to everybody). Therefore, the client can't see the info of other players, even if it's being stored on the server, while the database managers (being AP) can access any information. Thus, they can retrieve and send the data. Don't mix up the server and client.

10/17/2007 4:53 PM  
Blogger Bobby Crosby said...

AP has said in a number of different ways that no one ever under any circumstance, including AP support, has access to hole cards (other than their own) except for at showdown. It's a 100% proven lie, since they sent out a hand history that showed everyone's hole cards for every hand.

10/17/2007 5:01 PM  
Blogger Adam said...

I'm writing a Poker server of my own (will be released Open Source once there's anything to release) so I think I'm qualified to step in here with a comment. It's basically a modified chat server; it just interprets certain elements of the players' communication as instructions for moves in a game.

Any poker game server process obviously has to know everyone's hole cards as soon as they are chosen; and as likely as not, these will be stored in a log file on the server somewhere.

The communications protocol I'm using is extremely simple. All the client ever needs to be told is how much money they have, what the visible cards are, whether any bet they may place is valid or not, who typed what into their chat window and -- at the end -- who won and how much. And that, I can promise, is all the server will ever send to the client.

After the game is over, a hand history showing everybody's hole cards is pretty innocuous. But there's no reason why the server software should ever make live hole card information available to any player.

If the Source Code to the client software were available, it would be a simple matter to verify whether or not any cheating is possible (at least, using the standard client ..... you don't know for sure that the server doesn't accept other instructions from a special client. Even if the site made the server Source Code available, you can't be sure that they're actually running the same version as they shew you). But a lot of these poker sites are Windows-only and don't make the client Source Code available.

Just the fact that the Source Code is kept secret from users means that there could be extra information being sent out that the standard client is simply programmed not to display. Has anyone tried using a packet-sniffer to investigate / try to decipher the protocol used by AP's client and server?

10/19/2007 4:43 AM  
Blogger Bobby Crosby said...

Feel free to Google all that. Million different threads/sites about the AP scandal now. I don't know much about all that technical computer stuff and wouldn't remember it if I had read it probably. All that matters is that AP 100% lied in a major way and their owners are behind the cheating accounts. Don't see why anyone would care about the technical details. Pointless.

10/19/2007 9:47 AM  

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